Rand Paul appears in the episodes of The Bob Zadek Show in two distinct capacities: as a senator whose positions other guests and the host invoke, and, in a 2023 episode, as the interviewed guest himself. The earlier appearances are brief and referential; the 2023 interview is the only extended treatment.

On the show

1 appearance, 2023.

Their books discussed on the show

  • Deception: The Great COVID Coverup (2023) — discussed 2023 Deception: The Great COVID Coverup

The Civil Rights Act and early Senate criticism

In a June 2014 episode on EPA coal regulations, Bob Zadek played a recorded clip of Rand Paul criticizing the Obama administration’s environmental policy. In the clip, Paul said the administration showed “a lack of balance” and that “environmental extremists are really guiding the policy of this administration,” comparing the power-plant rules to the Keystone Pipeline decision Matt Zwolinski on Bleeding Heart Libertarianism (2014). The clip was introduced by a Joe Manchin recording noting that Paul believed the administration was caving to extremists.

Two years later, in a May 2016 episode on the Supreme Court, Bob Zadek referenced Paul in passing while a caller discussed the Civil Rights Act. Zadek noted that the act was one “that Rand Paul had reservations about in the early stages of his failed run for the presidency,” and that Paul “was criticized for taking issue with the Civil Rights Act of the 1960s” Ilya Shapiro on the Supreme Court in the Balance (2016).

The liberty wing and war powers

In a September 2017 episode with Austin Petersen, then a Senate candidate in Missouri, Bob Zadek developed the concept of a “liberty wing” in the Senate. Zadek named Rand Paul and Mike Lee as its members, arguing that with the Republicans holding “the thinnest of voting majorities,” smaller wings of the party would have “disproportionately large control and a say and a seat at the table over legislation” Federalism and the Flat Tax: The Austin Petersen Plan (2017). Petersen, Zadek said, would join that wing if elected.

Later in the same episode, Petersen cited Paul’s legislative work directly. Petersen said he supported “Senator Rand Paul’s sunsetting provisions of the Authorizations for the Use of Military Force in Iraq and Afghanistan,” and noted that his opponent Claire McCaskill voted against it. Petersen said he supported “Rand Paul’s bill, which would have sunsetted the authorizations for the use of military force in the Middle East.” Bob Zadek then pressed Petersen on Republican opposition to Paul, saying that “the Republicans, to their great shame, did not support Senator Paul,” and that Paul gave a “well-reasoned and impassioned and 100% accurate presentation as to why the use of the temporary use of military force in 2001 should be repealed.” Zadek said the authorization “no longer ought to give the President political cover to fight what right now is 11 or 12 undeclared wars.” Petersen conceded the point, saying “obviously the Republicans should have stood with Rand Paul on this as well” Federalism and the Flat Tax: The Austin Petersen Plan (2017).

The 2023 interview: COVID-19 and the coverup

The November 2023 episode is the only one on the show where Paul is the guest. The episode summary states that Bob Zadek interviews Paul about his book Deception: The Great COVID Coverup, which the summary describes as detailing an alleged conspiracy by government officials to hide the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. The summary lists the topics as COVID-19, gain of function research, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the lab-leak theory, the NIH, EcoHealth Alliance, government transparency, and deception Senator Rand Paul Exposes the Great COVID Coverup (2023).

In the surviving excerpt, Paul says: “It was the outright lies that got me intrigued. And the book exposes that this coverup extends to eight different agencies in government and hundreds of people.” He addresses the objection that a conspiracy involving hundreds of people could not be true, and invokes George Carlin: “He said a conspiracy theory isn’t necessarily where interests converge. I think over time, the idea that they could share guilt or culpability for millions of deaths is a big incentive for them to cover up.” The excerpt ends there; Bob Zadek’s introduction of Paul is labeled but not transcribed.

Across episodes

The episodes show no single argument developed across episodes. Paul is invoked in 2014 as a critic of EPA regulations, in 2016 for his Civil Rights Act reservations, in 2017 for his war-powers sunset amendments, and in 2023 as the author of a book on the COVID-19 origins coverup. The treatment does not build; each episode uses Paul for a different purpose, and the 2023 interview is the only one where he speaks at length.